The Hunley.com Newsletter
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   George Penington
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FRIDAY, March 29, 2002
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         Contents

1) WELCOME NEW SUBSCRIBERS
2) The Mystery of The Medallion “Dog Tag”
3) 2002 Weekend Tours Announced
4) Movie review
5) Our Purpose and Goals
6) Comments and Answers from Our Guest Book

7) Paper Model of THE HUNLEY
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1) WELCOME NEW SUBSCRIBERS We are publishing newsletters
every two weeks  and have rebuilt the web site. Any errors
or corrections that you come across, let us know and I
will fix immediately. The newest pages are added to the
Home Page and I will take them off as they get stale. As
you know One of the primary highlights of this newsletter
is to focus on solving the mysteries surrounding the Hunley
and the discussion of facts as they are released.


2) Continuing the Chamberlain Mystery and The Medallion “Dog Tag”

 

The Hunley's final duty roster may have included a Confederate Navy man from Virginia named James Hayes.
     Hayes' possible role in the final mission of the HUNLEY was discovered by two journalists from The Virginian-Pilot newspaper in Norfolk - Phyllis Speidell and John H. Sheally II. They found a
notation about Hayes' fate in the Confederate Navy card file in Richmond.
     The file, which lists the military service of Confederate veterans, recorded that Hayes was "From the state of Virginia, Seaman on the 'Hunley' (submarine). Lost in Charleston Harbour, sinking
blockader Housatonic, Feb. 17, 1864."
     Michael Wade, who served in a Confederate Navy squadron that built torpedoes, provided the information to the file in 1924, 60 years after the Hunley sank.

     McConnell said that if Hayes was aboard the Hunley, he could have been a spy for the Confederate government assigned to the sub to
make sure the crew didn't defect and turn the secret weapon over to the Union Navy. Or he could have had a natural interest if he served with Wade in the torpedo squadron. No one has found the connection between the two men.
     However, some of the names on the list - particularly Miller and White, surnames with no first names attached - have always been suspect, and McConnell said the discovery of a possible crewman named James Hayes only makes it more likely that those two names were wrong.
(Except from Post and Courier article by Brian Hicks dated March 7, 2002.

Comments and Facts Regarding The Article about a Virginian being aboard The Hunley made in the CSS H L Hunley Group.

Everyone is welcome to join this great club....

 

In csshlhunley@y..., yello_armadillo wrote:
> <<McConnell said that if Hayes was aboard the Hunley, he could have  been a spy for the Confederate government assigned to the sub to make sure the crew didn't defect and turn the secret weapon over to the Union Navy.>>
>
> This seems to be a pretty nutty idea to me -- kind of a slap to
> the crew to even suggest such a thing. Men who knew how deadly the sub had been, and would still get in that thing in the middle of winter at night were not the type to defect/mutiny en masse.

> --Mike Mc
I agree with you Mike, When you look at the crew names, the only two it seems  in question is White and Miller. One of them wore Chamberlain's Dog Tag. And if that person was a spy either Miller or White must be Hayes. Perfectly convoluted if you ask me.. ;>}  George
http://www.thehunley.com/crewnames.htm
--- In csshlhunley@y..., Andrew and Rebecca Hall <tigone@w...> wrote:
> > McConnell said that if Hayes was aboard the
> > Hunley, he could have been a spy for the
> > Confederate government assigned to the sub
> > to make sure the crew didn't defect and turn
> > the secret weapon over to the Union Navy.
>
> What is McConnell's fixation with spies? First
> he spun off all sorts of ludicrous speculation that the Chamberlain ID tag suggested the presence of a Union spy on board, now he thinks there might have been a Confederate spy. What next, Klingons?

Actually, there's some justification to that view.

A lot of spying took place in the Civil War. Both sides shared a language and a cultural heritage, making it extremely easy to impersonate a member of the other side. Mark Ragan asserts that one of the Hunley's former crewmembers was a mysterious Henry Dillingham*, probably a Confederate intelligence officer (spy).

Also consider that Confederate deserters gave Admiral Dahlgren, Commander of the fleet blockading Charleston, pretty good descriptions of the Hunley and the David. (The war was going very badly for the South at that time and there were many deserters.) One reportedly built a model of the Hunley. Those descriptions resulted in Dahlgren's Jan 7 1864 order to protect the ironclads in Charleston Harbor with chain booms.

Barry

* My own efforts to track down Dillingham have been mostly futile.
However, I did turn up this obituary:

"Hannah Veronica Doble, born July 04, 1850 in Dixfield, Oxford Co.,ME; died Unknown; Stepchild. She married Henry Dillingham March 31,1872; died Unknown."

Was it the same Henry Dillingham? We'll probably never know.

b_rogoff wrote:

> Actually, there's some justification to that view.

But apparently, no actual *evidence* of it whatever.

All I know, as Will Rogers used to say, is what I
read in the papers -- in this case the Post & Courier article posted to the list on Thursday. The only concrete information I get from it is that there is documentation of a previously unknown person allegedly aboard the boat when she sank. While it's interesting, and should open another avenue of research, the information as reported in the story is so limited that spinning off *any* speculation from it is premature at best. McConnell's musings for the press seem clearly
intended to generate column-inches for the project.
That's not a bad thing, necessarily, but it bothers me that he's doing it by (to all appearances) making up dramatic scenarios out of whole cloth.

If there actually *is* evidence to support McConnell's "spy" theory, I'd like to know what it is. Further,I would argue, FotH has an obligation to make it public along with their interpretation of it. Unless there really is evidence that supports McConnell's suggestion, it looks to me like he's just spinning the same sort of unsubstantiated BS that has muddled up the true history of the boat for over 130 years.

----------> AH

    

 

3)NEW TOURS FOR 2002  WEEKENDS ONLY

Tours of the Hunley are still scheduled for every weekend through May 26, 2002  http://www.thehunley.com/New%20Tours%202002.htm

And as requested I have posted a map on the site for those needing directions.
 http://www.thehunley.com/Lab%20map.htm


4) Movie Review
Note: In the last three issues we talked about a 1960's movie about the Hunley. The latest news is “It's being syndicated internationally by Paramount Television
(323)956-5000.  You'd need to contact them about a copy.  Since it's still
generating revenues for them, they may be reluctant to make you a copy,
however. Good Luck!
Steve Hanson

When I contacted Paramount and jumped through all the hoops, doesn’t appear that a copy will be available anytime soon. But I will keep trying.  George

The Hunley Produced for Turner Network Television and originally
broadcast in the summer of 1999 movie can be purchased by going to www.thehunley.com or 
http://www.thehunley.com/Gift%20Shop.htm
 
 
If anyone has any additional information to add let us know.  George



5) Our Purpose and Goals

Is to provide specialized information to those who are interested in the recovery efforts and history of the Confederate Submarine H L Hunley. It is
available free to anyone who might benefit from the information it contains, for example, students and history buffs. Our mailing list will always be kept private and will never be sold.

6) Comments and Answers from Our Guest Book

Date: 28 Mar 2002 Time: 08:13:26

Comments It's good to have our boys home. Thank you'all so much! Terry Stewart


Date: 28 Mar 2002 Time: 17:32:45

Comments: I have read about the Hunley for years. I can't wait to see it in person with my grand kids. Keep up the good work. Van from Salisbury N.C.


Date: 28 Mar 2002 Time: 20:16:59

Comments: Have followed the story on TV. Great history lesson for our children. Wonderful to know that it will be around for years to come for our grandchildren to study. Making a special trip to Charleston just to see it.


Date: 29 Mar 2002 Time: 00:28:46

Comments: I,CONSIDER MYSELF,A CONFEDERATE AMERICAN,WHOM WAS BORN TOO LATE, TO FIGHT, FOR THE CAUSE!

 
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7) This is interesting…A paper model of THE HUNLEY.  I have not tried to build it yet. If anyone else does ….let me know.

Cardstock H.L. Hunley Plans! http://www.subcommittee.com/Images4/TS_2.html

Courtesy of Tom Slawik!

"Print these images to your printer and create your own Hunley! This is Tom's first stab at creating Hunley plans and it's outstanding. Please send him a BZ and encourage him to keep up the great work! Photos of Tom's Disney Nautilus are also on this in the Gallery" -- Andy Hunt, SC WebMeister
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